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we've done it no you're you are an angel witch we've done it guys made it did it we've done it however has made it it has made it in the nick of time under the water this is uh yeah not to uh show you how the sausage is made everybody but um there was a flurry of text exchanges dez was uh saying he was going to be late but as we all saw i didn't say late i said mike cut it close oh well i you know i'm not here to argue semantics with you my point is as we all saw when this when the when it when it came time when the lights went up dez was on screen before chris plus yeah suck it that's not a judgment i'm just stating facts anyway hello and welcome to the dave hill good time monger now in its 47th exhilarating year um no i don't know why i said that i'm uh mondays um anyway hi how are you i'm incredible thank you so much for asking how are you doing boy criminal chris kurzbek i'm good how does the bed music sound sounds great nice um that's all i'm concerned about you look at what are you oh you looked like you were wearing like some sort of like uh patrick's sort of an 80s power outfit like a like a jump executive but yeah like a sort of a i don't know what i like a black mock turtle neck but now it's just a long sleeve t-shirt just yeah it's a black uh i'm like really into crew neck sweatshirts right now for some reason what is the crew neck sweatshirt i mean i know i would just like how you describe it it's just like you know like a sweat like a hoodie without the hood basically oh yeah they're very comfortable very comfortable i used to always hate i was like so in on hoodies i was like i can never wear just a sweatshirt i think it looks stupid and now like i really like the way it looks i think it's cool i think i mean you know i think just anyone whether you're catching this conversation live or in the podcast format i think the vibe is that it's a cool look oh thank you i mean we're all feeling good about it how are you doing uh new jersey chicken rancher dez doing all right a little little rush this evening but ready to slide in and relax now for a while doing great we had a chicken scare earlier now uh what does that mean that could mean a lot of things it could have been you were scared of chicken a chicken was in danger a chicken was in danger or maybe that's that's that was not what i was hoping to hear i was hoping not not that i want any harm to come to you or your wife definitely not your wife you i'd be comfortable with a fair amount of harm coming from a chicken towards you right because i feel like you would be you'd survive yeah and any humor would be worth it i don't wish ill upon you what what happened i feel bad i was i was not home but kim was in the yard with chickens were out ranging and there was a hawk in the area it took two passes but apparently it was a shitty hawk and he didn't get one but uh kim was able to uh wrangle the chickens back into the coop quickly and he's horrified the hawk that is horror i never even thought of that possibility the guy that i work with has chickens and he let just last week he's like man i just watch this thing come in grab my little chicken and just watch it fly away you know just nothing i can do they get other animals like cats or dogs or anything probably i'm sure they take their their shots where they they see a chance i mean chickens are you know compared to a hawk slow and stupid so yeah it's easy pickings there's some out where i am in this tiny finish fishing village i see hawks and i see eagles and when they come around the eagles especially and it's well it's to i'm guessing it's a different eagle but the eagle it's always solo but the seagulls all go they're like we're out yeah we're getting out of here yeah we had a hawk on the fence last week maybe it was the same one i don't know saw him grab a small bird just you know out of mid-flight just jumped at him so the the they ruled the sky you got to pay your specs i watched last summer i watched a hawk uh disembowel some animal right about 10 feet from me i just sat on the front lawn drinking some cold these watching this hawk on this branch just got some animal and i wasn't getting in it was already dead so i was like you know have at it nature runs its course but it was you know beautiful animal the the hot or beautiful i guess you don't call birds animals do you
it'd be like calling an insect an animal that it would which is to say it would be insane i don't call the chickens or animals get the animals out of here for these animals doing you know now i gotta say uh hearing that hearing uh some of the soundtrack to disco dancer mm-hmm i haven't had a problem really we haven't heard in a little while makes me realize how much i've missed it and how do another song
one better and say why do we do anything else
why do we do anything but watch disco dancer we were trying to find another bollywood movie yeah had one line watch it yeah but we got to get on it i i've been taught i've been in a lot of touch with anna paul lately and uh i think he'd be ready for it and i haven't just got some he's he's doing some show for bbc right he did like a radio special yeah i listened to it it was great it's called the empire i listened to it uh just yesterday i believe i think it was yesterday what is time but i know i listened to it this weekend it may have been the day before that circle but i did listen to it there's great stephen fry's in it on a bob's in it oh wow you know what i've you know as i've been doing this whole pandemic not to brag um but you know i've been just globe trotting with my movie watching and i'll go in these phases and i would i just went down a wild uh finished movie wormhole over the weekend okay and i'm i'm not afraid to say i'm still in it i watched have you guys seen as anyone and i i defer to by the way hello to the chat uh where uh all sorts of people it's just heating up heating up uh uh elvira canavera matt arnold dave bemundo tracy dunbar michael braun i'm just just flipping through reading names we have the super chat um which um is super futuristic exciting feature where uh
you can pay cash money to make your comment jump out in an aggressive manner which i and have us talk about it so what's that and have us talk about it yeah and have us discuss it in great detail part of the social contract really it's just a great way to support the show if you would like to see the show continue which i threaten daily to stop doing it um it lives and dies on the super chat um but um no so i watched lenin leningrad cowboys go america has anyone seen it nope have you seen the sequel leningrad cowboy scomosis do i have to know do i have to have seen the first one in order to understand the sequel or can i kind of jump in it wouldn't be helpful okay i mean you could in the event that i come across the sequel first i want to know um they're both on criterion collection if you belong to that um if you're signed up for that and then i have 20 minutes left on another finnish movie because i liked the star of leningrad cowboys i was like you know what i'm going to find every movie available that this guy's in and i'm going to watch it nice and i found two others both finnish movies um so uh i'm just saying that's where it's at with me finish move if it's not a finished movie i have no interest at least for the next 24 hours and then i'll go back to watching i'll probably watch disco dancer i watched for the first time ever the other night psycho too have you ever seen that like that was vince vaughn no dirty no no that that was the remake now they made a sequel to psycho with anthony perkins in like early 80s somewhere around there yeah yeah it's like a minecraft it was actually really good though i was really into it can you turn the music down a tiny bit not that i'm not enjoying it because i am um the number here is 201 584 7071. now that we have des here i i mentally didn't give up uh anyways baxter is not important 201 201-584-7071 call we have amazing guests tonight i'm psyched i'm just jumping off low blood sugar i'm all over the authors of the new book which is out tomorrow it comes out on hardcover i believe i have the advanced copy in paperback uh because i'm very famous uh nothing but a good time it's about rat motley crew poison
on down the line i believe today is brett michael's birthday so it's very timely good booking it is i did not know that twitter told me um yeah this book skid row twisted sister winger you heard me warrant cinderella it's all in here it's like a metal edge in your lap yes questions answered new ones raised uh i mean i'm not done with it's a thick tome i mean it's [ __ ] really big book i'd have to say it's over five is that kind of like the is that kind of like the our band could be your life of 80s hair metal i would argue that it is it's good to see the 80s scene get some respect long overdue um something i have respect to is a strong word um notice how about that appreciation paid attention to i think you know i acknowledged i just flipped to the acknowledgements um to see whether i just by accident honestly and uh i'm not i'm not thanked which not that i was expecting to but it's just when you accidentally flip to acknowledgements and realize you have not been acknowledged now because i do that as the guy who's as an author of three books so far i tend to think too many people i'm too grateful to too many people now these guys they just had one page of acknowledgements and i wasn't one of them that's not important no i'm kidding i'm nodding i'm not kidding about not being acknowledged i'm not but i'm not i'm joking about expecting to be acknowledged because i don't do i'm not my point bullet boys smooth up in you a smooth opinion yeah i i i found myself in a bullet boys discussion yesterday i think is that mark taurean was the singer there yeah mark mark taurean's name came up with a queue because he um how did this come up i think because i posted about this book yesterday i think i can't remember days anymore um i was dm damning with someone who told me that mark taurean was in rat briefly that's going to be a question that's going to be probably my first question out of the gate to these guys um it's all it's all in there bullet boys open for cheek cheap trick matt arnold says even now and i read it even though no it was not using the super chat not saying i'll only read super chat comments matt did super chat a few minutes prior to that so oh he did i didn't have a comment so just chatting it works out works out i got a call if you want to take it let's take it
wait i should say i'm fine fine folks wait real quick i'm not i didn't wait hang on hank shut up oh hold on over i got him there i forgot to say who the guests are and all my excitement talking about the book the guests are the author of the book tom bozzore and richard beanstalk tomaszew and richard beanstalk are going to be joining us in 10 minutes authors have nothing but a good time i'm sorry elvira for yelling at you i was really yelling at myself for not saying their names i i understand um you have a lot of built-up pressure and i'm just here to to help you
uh what i wanted to talk to you because we're talking about metal was i i've been loving the the taint i am becoming one with the taint the witch taint has become my life oh witch tank yeah one of the greatest bands of all time in 2021 what is witch tank doing i'll tell you which taint we just booked a show for 2021 will it happen i don't know where but we are we are supposed to be playing in new york city in september that's all i'll tell you just leave it at that that should work playing in new york city and we're booked to play in new york city in september
it's going to be a record release party a full year and a half after the record came out nice roughly pretty much pretty much a year and a half pastor weren't you supposed to have a release party like last april yeah but i don't know if you've been following the news chris now i know but i'm just saying like that's how long ago it was yeah yeah the record came out as um you know i've been kicking myself because i i don't have a new record of anything ready to go and then i remember i said dave you've released three albums this year they were in 2020 i released three albums which taint painted doll and then my stand-up album um
yes it's true um but yeah which team was the first one on april 20th and we were supposed to do a record release party everyone it was supposed to be a who's who of uh who is gonna be there mark taurean from the bullet boys brett michaels from poison no um but yeah we were supposed to do it and then um the uh coco 19 happened i've this is the name i came up with today i don't know if anyone said i've already coined pre pandy and post pandy to refer to the times before and after the pandemic in a more in a way that's more fun i thought it is a way to move on from the when once we're truly safe and once it's truly behind this this could be a few years from now we will refer to kova 19 as coco 19 to to just you know render it a little powerless cocoa 19. that was back in the days of cocoon do you think it can catch on eva they wasn't there um well i actually got i got vaccinated today i got my first shot we did
uh but i i never thought i would actually find a sense of hope in that walmart of all places oh well i was right there with you i had only i've been in walmart a total of three times in my life and what they have done headache what the oh yeah no if it's if you were looking for flattering lighting it's not the place to go but i will say i went into a walmart i needed capers and close-minded dave was just like they're not going to have capers at walmart these philistines bought capers no problem they had them they had two different kinds do you have to ask where they were no life is found it's a regular topic at our house i i even got some craft brews
yeah that's the kind of thing that like i would never want to ask hey where are the capers in the walmart because i know exactly the response i'm going to get which is yeah what are capers you talking about well that's you being um i think you're stereotyping
no i would say that even like when i would go into a radio shack when i needed some kind of adapter why would you get papers at a radio shack no no i'm not saying i would get capers iterated i'm saying if i went to like a radio shack even then i would be like whatever i asked for they're not going to know what the hell i'm talking about what do you think you're better than everyone who works retail chris absolutely a shack yeah absolutely well i'm gonna say early in the pan in the panty early days of the pandy being out here in ohio uh i likes like a character in a bad romantic comedy where the city people moved to the country i asked for pate at the grocery store and i got some funny looks for that
and i even said do you have i don't eat pork it has to be chicken liver pate so please don't point me towards the pork pate because that's not what i'm after and they get in a look and just shaking their head they said so much
great to stay would would you worship if you couldn't get your hands on a pate yeah totally and i won't even know the difference yeah that's a work that's a workings man's meat that's fine yeah i got no problem with that um so all by way of saying i am i have not had pate in over a year my life is hell um
i got the wait so which vaccine did you get elvira i i got the uh pfizer did you know the pfizer vaccine is actually uh it's just a beef bouillon cube and a little bit of fresca that's all it is and prayer to jesus you got to have the prayer for it to work no it's just those two it's bouillon beef bouillon and fresca the modern one is the shamrock shake and johnson and johnson is his attack tab let's tab the discontinued diet cola that's all it is did you notice that look it up look up look up the timeline for when tab was discontinued and when johnston and johnson announced they were working on a vaccine the dates slam right into each other like look at conspiracy conspiracy theory dave i'm just saying well this is you know i'm just scrambling just trying i'm flailing just trying to find an audience so i'm walking the line you know i'm just yeah i'm just saying let's be slightly skeptical for no good reason you know because the super chat's not working i've i'm gonna be a conspiracy theorist because the super chat's not working and we're not going to be able to continue this show two under exploited areas of which taint one is the lullaby music of the of the meat of the songs because when you're a new parent you can play lullaby musics of metal songs and the kid just gets quite little chimes but inside your head you're rocking out to d.o why don't you just quit having your camera is a live rock anthem for an under appreciated part of every concert venue a rock anthem for the merch table
um i'll think about it i'm gonna think long and hard about it surprise jane simmons as a siege hand i i i work with all sorts of folks and often it's the merch table people that are completely craft on i'll be yelled at for helping them sometimes and you know you're on a good tour when the merch person is a happy person [ __ ] the merch person no just kidding i'm just being contrary where did crisco that's also where a lot of the money is these days i think maybe didn't go to uh 10 to our guests oh i know that's exactly where he went you would think as a guy who knows the inner workings of this show easily maybe the third best i think he would apologize to the merchandise hope he was very neat too no i love the merchandise people um well elvira thank you we're about to bring our guests i appreciate you alright folks keep up the good work thank you for listening congrat congratulations on getting the uh vaccination
we're halfway back to uh doing live shows again there you are by 2023 no question
and i'll still be wearing a mask all right good night avira good night or call back with your hair model question 20 minutes i'm gonna find out if i'm even allowed to say hair metal that these this is on my list of questions questions would that be a slur you think here matt arnold with another super chat says hey you yeah that's the i think matt arnold is solely going to keep this show afloat with his super chatting he's he's creating the world he wants to live in he can't you know can't be mad at him for that i appreciate it appreciated it greatly um his hair metal with slur you think i don't think it's a slur but i think i think some people think it's a slurp where did it rank in in your uh rotation of of listening back in the day did you did you pay much attention you just kind of know what was going well you always went to shows no matter what i always i would go see any band if there was a guitar on stage i would go i didn't care who was playing i did have my favorite bands but i could be literally uh would go see like i'd go see the replacements then go see starship and what were what were some of the main venues of your uh back in the day uh there was the garage well no krogstop came was a little later um but like when i was just a pretty young thing uh the agora fantasy pea bodies down under these are all smaller um club places or like theaters agora they had a theater no but as far as this genre of music that we'll be discussing tonight i really only liked well i mean a lot of the bands that are listed van gaal and of course motley crue poison i kind of have soft spots for gums and roses i guess all of them really yeah we're going to get into all of this yeah in the next hour i don't know where chris or our guests are i have my concerns they failed um
well the book covers a broad spectrum of groups here here it's all happening there they are i believe we're welcoming our guests to the program this is the show is too slick i have my concerns this is like the van halen um live without a net this is just the only way to go now my microphone's cutting in and out what a [ __ ] show are you there dennis yeah i'm here been here the whole year yeah i don't know where we lost uh i see our guests are they're lurking there they're there's chris hey chris are you back i'm back um where are our guests they're they're backstage they're ready to go whenever oh they're ready to go i'm looking at the wrong screen and it looked like they were like um you know stuck in another dimension but you're uh your mic is your mic is doing that thing again i'll get rid of it let me just get rid of it who are we kidding i'm gonna get rid of it because it sucks i thought it could have been me but i didn't wanna how's that there you go is that better it's a little better little better a little better it's wait it doesn't sound any better that sounds better it's not crackling that's for sure sounds great in that sense that's just my computer yeah
oh oh my god this is why we need people to use the super chat matt arnold was actually oh niels rush oh this is our first
man dave fix audio
see people people used to super chat when i have technical difficulties maybe i should do that more often this is this is why we need the support because uh we have we have horrible equipment um the number here is 201-584-7071 let's bring our guests on they are authors of the incredible new book i have an advanced copy you can get yourself a fancy hardcover copy available tomorrow pre-order it tonight or i'll [ __ ] stab you uh it's called nothing but a good time as i've mentioned before the uncensored history of the 80s hard rock explosion it features a forward like corey taylor of slipknot take that ah
amanda gorman
her book does her books don't have forward by corey taylor can you imagine that if amanda gorman's books all of a sudden you got her like oh she's amazing she read this amazing poem at the inauguration oh well the singer for slipknot did the forward what didn't see that connie um anyway nothing but a good time it's a great book i'm knee deep in it now the authors tom bosher richard beanstalk they walk among us let's let's let them on the show
oh we should have had some hair metal cute oh my god
you guys look incredible
chris can you turn the music down i just want to take all this in uh this is one of those times when uh even though this show is mostly ingested uh in podcast form uh anyone seeing it visually tonight is getting an extra special treat because you guys both look incredible uh tom you look like you've just been freed from a dungeon of some sort
i i do i i have let the beard go uh full maximum you seriously you look amazing your hair and beard are really uh richard do you look great i'm not lumping you in you you look like you've had access to uh uh sanitary conditions i try yes um or should i call you because should i call you rich you can call me rich it's it's it's quick okay i'll vest i'll go back uh but um full disclosure you know i don't want anyone to think i'm trying to hide this but tom is i do know uh tom isn't paying a dolla with me and uh his alter egos also in which taint with my alter ego which had nothing to do with them securing this booking nothing at all nothing at all because i would have wanted to anyway because this book is incredible i i say this uh not i'm not done with it because it's 7 000 pages and that's not me complaining that's me grateful for the reading ahead it's over 500 pages and i am uh knee-deep in it and it just it just keeps delivering every it just nons i almost put the book down there's a story about uh
now this is this is when the late it's 8 38 and my but uh i i'm combining names of members of great white but jack the singer from great white what's his last name ruffle jack russell i was combining jack russell and mark kendall even though any reasonable person will tell you they no longer play in a version of the band together um but there's a story in there and this is just first of all the dirt is is like a [ __ ] children's book compared to this book that was the dirt the dirt first of all i called [ __ ] on that book 15 years ago whenever it came out i called [ __ ] on it then saying it's not that good and i'm glad that maybe took me a little while to wait around for it but a book came along that basically makes the dirt its [ __ ] [ __ ] and it's this book nothing but a good time i interest of full disclosure did a blurb for this book which you can see on the it's not on this advanced copy which i'll ask about soon but um it is on the regular copy but i think this book if you're looking for the truth about hard rock heavy metal glam metal hair metal uh and he wants salacious tails this book uh kicks the dirt up and down the street like a like a bag of dog [ __ ] basically and you can you can put that on the second printing but there's a story about jack russell from great white i mean you guys wrote the book you know but he is high on all sorts of drugs and whole goes into someone's house and holds the mate at gunpoint and he shoots the maid he shoots the maid yes accidentally accidentally it's the craziest craziest if it's not an indictment of about 50 million things that i for in order to keep things light to not even get into but the fact that the singer of great white who uh first really took over the airways with a song called rock me i think um the fact that he shot somebody and then went on not only to not really have to pay any consequences uh but to be the singer for a shitty band and a successful and pretty shitty band maybe that was the consequence the consequence that he was it wasn't great i shouldn't take shots a great way they're great at what they do it's just not my thing yeah and and i i mean i like great white um the the thing about i mean the story is mind-blowing um i would also say and i don't say this in a way to to disparage jack russell in any way but when he told this story um he actually started sort of getting like choked up telling it and had difficulty telling it um and i think because like but he wanted to tell it and he he wasn't trying to you know glamorize it but it was just this crazy thing that happened and even you know shooting this maid is crazy enough in itself he's high on pcp at the time he then he like blacks out and he wakes up and like the swat teams there like it just gets crazier and crazier and then the thing is like yeah he gets out of jv or you know juvenile detention whatever he's in and starts playing with great white again and he's like you know he's been sort of out of the world for a little while he talks about how he goes shows up for the first gig he's wearing like jordash jeans or some [ __ ] and they're like what the hell are you wearing you know because like even styles and he said i i don't know if you remember but i i shot a maid and that's why i've shown up to the gig dressed in a way that's maybe not cool enough for you guys can we just play most defensive thing like the clothes he's wearing you know beyond what he actually did but but yeah it's just this insane story that gets more insane as it goes on i think it's important to uh point out though that he this he doesn't do this when he's like 32. no no yeah he's a very young he's 36 at the time though let's be clear as history has shown us jack russell would go on to do many stupid things throughout the day the decades to follow but all accidentally actually all accident many unfortunate i know i feel bad that i'm i i'm any shots i'm taking it at at uh at jack russell or great weather just i'm joking around i uh i have nothing against him or or the band but i the story he it is a cautionary tale he doesn't yeah he's not like laughing like oh yeah i was on pcp and i it's like it's heavy but my point is a of all much better than the dirt not just because that story because there's a million stories throughout the book that are amazing um but also the kind of stuff you don't necessarily associate with what a lot of people dismiss as uh just kind of good time party rock music you think well no one in this known any of these bands shot someone high on pcp but they did anyway um i'm not going to talk about that story all night i'm just that was the one that really it takes your head off in the very early in the book you know the thing is is most of the you know this book is in the oral history format so it's all short quotes that are like 200 words long or something but this is the one case where we just let it run i think it's like we just let we didn't even interrupt we didn't there's nothing it just we just let 1200 words of this occurrence it's amazing i mean i'm you know not uh you know not to monday morning quarterback this whole book but you could have just been like the singer for great white shot a madewell high on pcp and other stories where were you a year ago
where waiter you asked me that yes you could have helped us you could have seen this oh yeah this thing yeah no but yeah no i thought you were like it's like where were you when john lennon was shot where were you when jack russell shot the maid well you don't you have to it's harder you don't stop in your tracks and go i know exactly where i was when jack but no um i'm not going to harp on this all but we were debating before you guys came on we were debating uh i referred not that this book it it's it's the 80s hard rock explosion which is because i like i was reading the bands some of the bands in the book like there's great distinctions between van halen motley crue winger warrant to me just even right there that's like spanning uh oceans apart but some people how did you guys how did you where did you guys draw the line well i don't i don't think we were originally even planning we the original plan was to go 81 to 91 like from motley crue too fast for love and end it like roughly whenever mine comes out but sort of once we started interviewing these bands you start realizing that of the first wave of bands they really were 70s bands that didn't get signed till the 80s so like when van halen's on the strip when they about to get signed you know george lynch from dawkin is already kicking around and he's in a band and quiet riot are already around so you actually kind of have to start
at that era of like you know 77 78 because the all these guys nikki six was around you know like the rat guys was floating around so they're all there at that time and they all think they're gonna get signed right after vane healing gets signed and then they don't yeah i mean they had like yeah it's it there's it is pretty amazing because yeah like you forget that all these i mean because by the time uh dawkin i i mispronounce it i i know you're supposed to say do you say dawkin like rockin dawkin yes rhymes with rocket i say more dawkin i don't know why but i can't that's all i can bring and i say that as a fan but like by the time dawkin is like on mtv's top 10 videos of the day or whatever within my dreams from the third album under lock and key for example george lynch is already 68 years old by the time that happened he's not and he's he's i mean he's not he's definitely not 22. no no but no he's not that old but he's like 30. he's 34 maybe 33. i remember yeah he was he was in his 30s and yeah you forget that that like while we think of this as like 80s music that's totally true it's like all the it's really as you said a story of 70s music of gaia like it's amazing how many bands these guys crawl in like 78 fans before they like hit the uh you know their stride yeah and especially in the la scene because it's so tight-knit you know yeah i mean to bring up dawkin again dawkin and rat i'm not knowing you can bring up doc and then rat stop with me but you know those guys like juan crousier is in dawkin and then he's in rat and then he's sort of back in dawkin but then he's back in rad and you know when when george lynch goes to try out for ozzie's band warren d martini from rat sort of goes and starts playing with dawkin because they share a rehearsal space um bobby blotzer's from rad is playing in a band with don dawkin in the 70s and you know even at that time like bobby blatzer meets don dawkin and he's like i can't believe how old this dude is and then at that time don dawkins like 22. but it just shows how young a lot of these guys were when they started you know bobby botter's probably 18 and he thinks he's like in a band with his grandpa but that's how i remember when you're that age you know yeah totally that is four years older when you're that age is old as [ __ ] it's unfathomably old yeah when you're 18 and 22 year old is old as [ __ ] you're like there's no way we're getting signed with this dude in the band yeah i mean i remember my first band which was you know after this era because i'm quite young um the singer was two years older than the rest of us and we would like have private conversations about that we'd be like this guy is [ __ ] really old we sure we want to stick with this guy he's two years older than us he's rent what's that he pays rent yeah yeah exactly i mean and the guy even on the on the east coast too i mean the guys in twisted sister have been playing covers since the early 70s and like our d snyder did the math and he explained to us that like adjusted for inflation like in oh yeah 1980 he was making like 250 000 a year no it's like 300 and i have it right here no it's like even more than that it's like 300 and some thousand it's some insane amount of money also uh i think with twisted sister and van halen they both sort of exhibit the malcolm gladwell ten thousand hours rule by being cover bands to just play non-stop i think a lot of these but i mean quiet riot the band that breaks all of this open in 1983 you know they're they're at the 10 million hours at that point i think i mean they've been a band for 10 years they had randy rhodes they were signed then they weren't signed then they lose randy rhodes then kevin dubrow is playing to no one for probably three or four years as the band do bro and then gets finally gets his big break i mean they were without a doubt considered has-beens at that point and then here they are as like the leaders of this new youthful movement you know and they're like they've been around since 73 74. and you can see kevin dubrow's hairline by the time he's back to about here by the time by the time come on feel the noise it hits mtv um which by the way when qr3 comes out though he's got a glorious head up here which just shows you this just shows you that if you have a sex tuple platinum record anything is possible the world is your oyster dave i know he really did all of a sudden get an amazing uh hairline the weird thing was this is and um i apologize i don't think this is addressed in the book but one thing i always hear about and i know i'm jumping around by the way everyone if you have not pre-ordered this book nothing but a good time by the time this podcast version comes out friday it'll already be out and hopefully be on the bestseller list because it's uh it's a page it's a page turner um and i think it will be uh i i can't say it enough i really do think people will uh throw their copies of the dirt uh in the garbage because it's [ __ ] compared to this book and my and i i have read literally pretty much every rock book in existence so i would know um but what i wanted to say about quiet riot and tom you and i maybe have had this conversation before but rich i uh let me get your opinion quiet riot always claims that that come on feel the noise which is a slade cover they're always like yeah we just uh that's actually our first take we just kind of banged it out really fast they're really dismissive about uh you know they don't seem to have a lot of reverence for one of the greatest songs by one of the greatest bands of all time slade and but then when you listen to their version they've done a new arrangement of it which busts their [ __ ] live wide open because there's no breakdown before the guitar is so low they act like they just listen to the slayed version and then just banged out one take it's a lie where do you guys stand on this
you don't even have to comment if you feel like you're wading into controversial waters
do you want to take this thanks rich i would um you know it's it's in the book it's discussed in several ways that whether they arranged it or not is not discussed but like whether or look in the book the way it goes down is this guy spencer proffer who's like a producer in la of uh what have you done he had done like some rituals but he did he did the tina turner acid queen record i remember that right and so he's like looking around for a hard rock band and he goes to quiet riot who are down on their luck and he's like look and he's and he's heard the slade version on the radio and he says you know like all i need if i can find a band to do this song the right way i'm gonna be a bazillionaire and so he finds quiet right and he has them come to the studio and basically he's like i will record a record for you but you have to do this song it's his you know his devil's deal you're gonna like and so this is like this is straight up old blues man [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah yeah you know this is this is like treyjo lee coco um i was just going to say that there's a fame reference
but uh it he and so they go to the studio and according to to we obviously didn't speak to kevin dubrow because he's no longer with us but you know they they know that they have to do this song
to get the studio time they didn't discuss with us although if we were going back in time right now i we would i think that would be a great question to ask them like so you changed the arrangement of the song like you must have worked on it some and you know what carlos we spoke to carlos and rudy and stuff one of them somebody would have answered but the legend is is that when they go into the studio they try and throw the game it's like we're gonna do this song we're gonna do it shittily enough that nothing will come of it and we'll still get to record our songs yeah you know but when they start playing their musicians pride kicks in and they just kick the [ __ ] out of it and then kevin dubrow is backed into a corner and you know this is what this is our version of the story and kevin dubrow yells at the band like why did you do that you played it too good now they're gonna like it and then he goes in and does a killer vocal because he doesn't want to seem like the chunk uh yeah and he nails it and he nails it having said all this right the thing is is looking at it from then versus now where it became the biggest hit in the world and the quiet riot record knock synchronicity out of the number one spot like back then they were still a has been banned like doing a sketchy spec deal for a dude who had a couple phone numbers at epic records so it's a weird thing because between like them just recording this song because they said they would and then epic records finally deciding after saying we don't want to put this record out because it sucks and spencer prop for being like please put it out and them doing it and then mtv running the video and it becoming the biggest song in the world like there's so many things fall into place to make what was like this probably minor 30 minute experience into the song that actually launched this whole era um yeah that you can understand why then they have to go back and figure out why they did it and how they did it like they probably i i would posit that that they probably almost didn't remember recording it yeah because of cocaine's the cocaine but also because it was just like all right we're gonna go to this dude studio and do some songs like it did it wasn't like okay we've been signed and and uh walter yetnikoff really wants us to do this song and if we do it then we're gonna go on tour with aerosmith they were just like a bunch of dudes getting the last free studio time they ever thought they were going to get in their life yeah yeah very strange and so sorry the thing about the oral history too is you get all different perspectives so we talked to spencer proper the guy producing them and whose grand idea this was and we asked him that question did they [ __ ] it up on purpose and he's like they didn't [ __ ] it up at all they played it they killed it he's like they were professionals so i think you know what the guys in quiet riot are relating to us or it's more like it's more a feeling that they had you know because they of course they played it great like they've been clawing through [ __ ] for 10 years like they're not gonna [ __ ] up this chance even if it's the chance seems very slim at the time but when they tell the story i think it's more like they clearly went in there they didn't want to do this song whether or not they played it great or messed it up on purpose i think the truth is that they just didn't want to do it but they knew that they had to so i think the truth is somewhere in between like they were forced to do it they acknowledged that they applied it they probably played it great because it was their last shot i know i mean now as we're talking about i'm replaying the song in my head and i'm thinking like oh frankie binali starts off with that that beat which is not in the slayed version let me be clear they all do amazing they all play amazingly well and do all these super cool things that improve the song that are not in the slate version and as a huge slade fan i couldn't tell you which version i prefer they both are magical like now see now i'm doing that thing before i was like i'm not going to talk about jack russell shooting the maid all night long now i won't shut up about one quiet riot song but all by way of illustrating what an amazing and engaging book this is that everyone should buy or i'll [ __ ] stab you um which is that's going to be my my quote again nothing but a good time i'm holding it even though 99.9 of people will hear this in podcast form and not see me wearing the sweater or holding the book up um everyone should go get it um who do you guys have a favorite person and or anecdote from the book
um favorite anecdote is probably the jack russell anecdote because i was you didn't let me you didn't let me finish aside from the jack russell anecdote um if you can't if you couldn't tell that one say that i think that there's a very interesting sort of back and forth and it's not one i've thought about before but it's popping into my head now about the recording of the first bangtango record we're gonna go all the way to the other end of the 80s in this and there's a whole story just like with the quiet riot thing about differing opinions on what happened as to whether during the recording of that record um a a woman was thrown through a plate glass window or not um yeah so there's user believes that this did happen although he did not see it firsthand and the producer is howard benson who then goes on to become a major player in the industry producing for my chemical romance and all american rejects he produces some kelly clarkson stuff he is like a a major guy now but at the time he is super green these some of his first records are the first bank tango record then he goes right after he does the first pretty boy floyd record then he does the first tough record so he is like full-on t-u-s-s of course yeah how else do you spell can i um just interrupt you quickly uh a parallel that not a lot of people will pick up on bass player for tough bass player for keel bass player for badlands all brothers three brothers with each other are you serious
the shy i don't even know how to pronounce the name so i'm not json the json brothers there you go wow wow yep this is you know this is just a form of autism coming out that i have for this for also bangtango uh evolved into a band called beautiful creatures featuring guitar player dj ashba who wound up in guns and roses there you go and 6 a.m yes and 6 a.m and 6 a.m um
but that's an interesting bang tango a lesser-known player uh in this tangled web uh
how many records how many bands two bang tango records two two yes and then i mean ones that came out later and that were maybe recorded earlier but yeah at the time they had the two um and it was during the first one where this this incident supposedly happened is there's not i don't know spoilers but can you break it down for us well you don't have to yeah in a nutshell so howard benson the producer who was was very young and new at the time he takes them i believe i'm going to say to texas to record this record i forget why he goes to texas but he does and so this is 1988 in somewhere in texas and these guys are walking around um a column in there yeah a college town in texas and they're full on in their sunset strip regalia and they are i guess having their way with the college women in this town um and even though they don't even have a record at this point but that doesn't really matter because they look like they do they look like the members of the bank tango exactly exactly and so they are there's a party that goes on at their rented condo or something one of the nights um there's stuff that goes on in the in the studio that it's sort of alluded to but people no one really wants to talk in depth about it um in in 2020. um but howard benson goes to their condo the next day the whole front window is shattered and the story that comes out is things got wild and one of the the women maybe from the college went through it the night before um the one of the guys in bank tango claims now that this was a story just made up to freak out howard benson at the time um howard benson is not so sure
well all we can only hope that everyone was okay and learned from whatever happened yes
but uh again to my point lots of uh stuff you don't expect no i mean it's there's like a lot of weird i mean have did it have you gotten to the docking part yet the making of tooth and nails dave i'm i've read a bit about dawkin but i don't think i'm in the specifics of that i've admittedly jumped around a little bit but now i've since gone back and now plowing through there's uh reading it the way it was intended like the bible i hope this won't be too laborious to explain but my favorite story in the book there's no doc and story that's too laborious let's be clear so i would one of the first interviews i did for the book was with the producer tom worman who along with producing dawkin produced motley crew cheap trick ted nugent molly hatchet a player as you would say and yeah and he just he was like don dawkin and george lynch hated each other you know and he ends up quitting the record but the reason he ends up quitting the record is that the engineer on the record um this guy jeff what's his last name rich do you remember jeff jeff workman yes jeff workman who and my friend john angelo corroborates that jeff workman was basically would come into to work in the studio in the morning drink a six-pack do a couple lines and then just continue to drink all day while he was recording beds apparently an amazing engineer but jeff workman and the members of dawkins start recording the producer tom worman on the sly while they're making this record like his banter in the control room and then at night and then at night because they're on cocaine probably and they've already worked 12 hours but you know they need something else to do they start this guy jeff workman starts editing together
the things that tom worman has said in the studio to make it sound like tom worman wants to get it on with the guitarist george lynch so they would cut something together they would be and this is what they say in the in the book they'd be like hey tom did you think uh that girl that we saw over there was hot and they would take the word hot and they'd be like what did you think of george's soul and then they would grab george so they cut together a tape that they that said like i think george is hot i've you know like i i want to bang george or whatever they put together this tape that they then play for george lynch of doc and like tom worman has the hots for you and they play this completely manipulated tape for don for for george lynch and george lynch proceeds the next day while they're trying to cut a solo to freak out on tom mormont like tom morman's telling him like oh could you play something like maybe a little more melodic whatever and george ladies are just like [ __ ] you man i know what you're up to and he throws his guitar in the ground he's like bam and then he gets up and tom worman's face is like i'm gonna [ __ ] kill you and tomorrow was like what you want to hit me you want to hit me and tomorrow makes it decide it's like often when you're in these situations if you ask them if they want to hit you it will defuse the situation um and like yeah and so it's just like [ __ ] you man tomorrow was like yeah [ __ ] keep [ __ ] and then like george lynch storms out of the studio and tom morman's like what the [ __ ] just happened and calls cliff bernstein the manager who now manages metallica but then manage doc and it's just like i'm off this project i'm giving you back a point i'll see you later and he leaves wow and like this is going on at
like 200 an hour of studio time wow um so that's the kind of stuff that you really the gold that you find when you're behind this river yes and it's also this is a make and break album for dawkin to make or break album like they're you know if this doesn't work for them this is probably it for them and this is how they're handling it in the studio which is insane yeah but uh it worked out though because they got a song wait what was on that uh into the fire i believe that's on there and so is the ballad the uh alone again yeah i mean you know i it sounds like a process that i wouldn't want to be involved in on any side of it but they you know it all worked out we have some super chat questions we need to get to i got a caller here as well too yeah let's see neil's rush in canada says can you ask about the band dead engine ded engine
i'm i'm i don't know how they factor into this but do they i don't even know uh i'm look you know what i'm doing right now googling i'm googling them i'm googling the [ __ ] out of this band i've heard of them i think yeah
they're not great
we had to make some tough choices making this book and one and this was actually not one of the tough choices because we bet didn't really know to think to include him but some bands did get left on the cutting room floor and dead engine i apologize to your message person is one of them nils rush i i don't think it'll cost you the sale but i i don't think it's helping no uh uh brendan o'dwyer says can we all have a meet up at joel's spoiler room when we get vaxxed oh that's yes yes we can just answer that i don't understand elvira canaveral did you guys meet in an alphabetical line i don't get that question do you guys get anyone get that question you might be showing up in alphabetical order on youtube it's different
you know i think that's what it is yeah can i say um
matt arnold has probably and shame on me for not asking uh this i guess i did sort of ask this question in a very uh not succinct way for matt arnold this is a real question that an actual interview would ask an author matt arnold asks for the authors that's tom boscher and richard beanstalk authors of nothing but a good time uh he says for the authors what was your biggest surprise in your research that's a real question i think one big surprise i know i mean i the the fact that this music in the early part of the decade was so unwanted by the labels and the mainstream i think growing up at that time to me it didn't it seemed like this new fresh and really like hot thing that everybody was into um but what you get from these guys who were there especially in the very early 80s is that nobody wanted anything to do with it um it was it was considered dinosaur music rudy sarzo from quiet riot says as much and like the labels wanted punk bands they wanted new wave bands they wanted the knack and the go-go's and all that stuff and like they just saw this as like a retreat of what was going on in the 70s um and so one of the things that resulted from that in the book is this idea that people think of this music whether you call it hair metal or glam or whatever as this very corporate slick produced thing with the big hair and the look and the videos and all this stuff but really it comes from this very diy you know just figure it out on your own sort of place where these bands were putting out their own records and just doing whatever they could in the clubs to like put on a show for people and like nobody wanted to give them the time of day and no one wanted to help them until much later in the decade and i think that tom and i sort of i mean i'll speak for myself but i think tom felt the same way that we sort of knew this but we didn't know that it was to such an extent this is the way it was for these bands you know it's an interesting you mentioned like punk rock um and i know tom and i have had this conversation before but but you know as dismissive as some people are of a lot of the bands you know sort of in this broad genre but probably the may arguably maybe people
dismissed poison the most but a little dave hill couldn't have been more than four or five years old saw poison open up for rat on the under lock and key no not under lock and key uh this is where the laid out that's the third docking record um uh this is where it's 17 in my uh my encyclopedic no the second rat album is called dancing undercover no dancing undercover is the third rat invasion of your privacy invasion of your privacy featuring the singles lay it down you're in love uh anyway i saw them on that tour poison opened i'd never heard of them before they had a new album on enigma records called look what the cat dragged in and my my buddy tim and i saw them and we thought they were very funny we couldn't tell if we were laughing with them or at them but we loved them we thought they were amazing at what they did and then when green day like broke through with the dookie album i just did a little rewind in my head of a few years and i thought oh this is basically look what the cat dragged in just a different version and if you they they were doing it was it's the same it's the same recipe it's it's twinkies and tiramisu ultimately the same thing i mean it's all it's the success you know people are always like power pop is never successful you know that's that yeah yeah but actually it is neither powerful nor popular yeah except it it is successful it's just it's poison yeah yeah that's yeah yeah and and green day probably but that's you know a cheap trick before that but um it's interesting that you saw that tour because i said uh twice let me be clear and then i saw poison again on the same album cycle open up for david lee roth twice on the skyscraper tour i saw that tour as well i saw that tour at the meadowlands and i that was the first time i saw poison and i thought that they were fantastic well that's the thing like you know some people hear us say this and they're probably like you guys are out of your minds but poison on that first record was they were amazing yes i mean the thing and the funny thing is about the rat tour i mean it's not that funny and this may not be interesting but i think it is because i wrote this book is it's a great book i can't stress that enough poison makes their first record for enigma look what the cat dragged in and they make their first video for cry tough and it stiffs well it doesn't stiff but the record sold like 200 000 records which in today's metrics you know is fantastic but back then you know capitol records had an interest in the man too and they're like all right guys you did great we are going to get you to do another record and basically the guys in poison themselves and it's they always took it upon themselves go to rat and get the rat tour because only if they get another tour will they be allowed to make another video so they get the rat tour and by getting the rat tour are allowed to make the talk dirty to me video which is what blows them wide open and which which the video which they make for no money yeah and it's and c c deville switched his guitars 78 times during the video setting a precedent for that's the best thing you can do in a video yes and also i remember going to my buddy tim and i went to school and we told uh everyone in our theology class about the poison con the teacher was so captivated by our enthusiasm for this band poison that we had seen he yielded the floor and let us tell everyone in catholic boys school theology class about the poison concert we had seen two days in a row he let us do this he let you preach poison and everyone everyone because we were the only two kids in school who were omnivorous in that way in our musical listening where we would go to that and then we would go see the replacements to whoever like we would just see everything so but which as you know you when you're when you're four or five years old you're not allowed to to do that um but we we did that so but so when we were sitting saying how awesome poison was everyone's like you're crazy like you shouldn't even been at that concert uh that's not cool and we were like just wait they're gonna be massive and then to your point a little video called talk dirty to me came out and here we are now talking about them it's funny that you say that because i actually hit like had a cassette and i've been i've said this in a couple interviews but because it's true it was flip your wig on one side husker do flip your wig and poison open up and say ah on the other side and i just like to i was just right for the for the listener open up and say uh the follow-up to look what the cat dragged in flip your wig uh the follow-up to um new day rising to the new day rising but getting back to your original point and then i'll shut up and let rich talk some too but uh we have some calls on hold too oh yeah i'll make it quick i'll make this quick no you want me to shut up no no no we just have a lot to pack into seven minutes okay then i'll just shut up no don't shut up don't shut up that was not me telling you to shut up no but just diy i mean and back to the 10 000 hours and the diy poison when they were still in pennsylvania because they were so young they were doing the full punk rock thing they were renting out vfw halls renting a sound system and packing it with kids and by the time you see them on the road with rat they've sold out the country club you know a million times they've done a million shows with where they've done their own lights and props and all that stuff they so they really did it all on their own for a long time and that's why by the time you get to see them with a rat they've played a thousand shows yeah they've got it down yeah i'm gonna read some super chats real quick i don't understand most of them elvira canaveral says jack russell terrier jack russell terrier no he says terrier which i think is a reference to when rich was sitting he was tearing up this is an old super chat that i'm just getting to um i need to get to these real quick lightning round of super chats nils asked does hair only extend to america i don't understand that hair metal elvira asks did women and this is in the book i know right did women have crazy hair metal stories vixen vice he says
yeah i mean they they have their own stories like we and that's why we have we have vixen in there we have leader ford and we have a lot of women on the you know that weren't just artists um people like sharon osbourne are in there who's obviously managing ozzie and lita for time um we have there's costume designers in there who are the ones really creating a lot of these looks that have now become iconic whether um you know it's motley crue shout out the devil look or warrants looks like we have these women you know who are sort of helping to shape the look of these men i mean the woman who worked on motley crue's look looks a kill video and girls girls girls you know and they they have their own perspective on what was going on at the time they don't for the most part go into it's interesting like we tried to talk to them a little bit from the 2020 perspective of i mean things are different now and the way cultural mores are different but none of them really had anything that negative to say about their experiences back then actually the the people in the bands like vixen and and leta ford seemed to have a more difficult go of it not surprisingly than the people behind the curtain who were just kind of doing their job one outlier would be we spoke to a woman who was the quote-unquote frack rack girl r-a-c-k girl for wasp in the early days um meaning she would go on stage at the troubadour topless and be have her head chopped off oh yeah in a guillotine um and that was part of the show and she was just someone who met the dude the guys at a club um she thought that they were super creepy she thought they were super old you know black little wallace was another one of these guys from the 70s had been in the new york dolls and had been kicking around for a while and she was i think she was in college at the time and she was approached to become this rat girl and went along with it and you know there was this whole elaborate thing where pretend that blood was spewing from her neck and she was topless and she thought the whole thing was super creepy and you know she just kind of did it because it was something to do but i guess that's all to say you you do get many female perspectives in the book as well and they sort of run the gamut from very happy and content with what went on and and not so much yeah yeah there's a it's uh i can't recommend it enough i'm going to plug it again before we we should we only have a couple minutes left do we still have a call on hold yes let's grab it what could possibly go wrong dave you there i'm here yes how you doing guys it's dave in staten island oh it's david staten island
what's happening we have a bit of a delay it seems i can confirm uh i was also at that david lee ross and poison show and if memory serves i think dave rode a uh flying surfboard like halfway through the audience to like a secondary stage at some point in that show it's accurate it correct yes microphone i have a a white lion based question an anecdote you could not be in better hands talk to the guys from white lion we talked to everyone from white line i even got to speak to vito brada for like three hours who is elusive wow that's my point because i i think he's like the guy that sort of fell off the face of the earth from that era he totally did i got hooked up with him through email by the by uh eddie trunk who was like i'll give you his email and i must have hit veto broad on the right day he emailed me back and then once he realized that i had completely ingested every note that he had ever played and was a total fan he was awesome he like talked for three hours he's funny he's super cool he still lives on staten island with his mom and a parrot um and uh but like he i'll say this so he's not you're there's not gonna be i don't think uh he's not coming out you know i mean he's he's not re-emerging suddenly with an album i think he's really kind of done it it was weird so does he even play guitar anymore he said he'd kind of [ __ ] up his hands so he plays classical like he oh he's over shredded or something so he he still he plays classical but he really hasn't played electric guitar in like a couple decades he's really the one like he says in the book one of the things he says in the book is he's like in the 90s somebody came up to me and said you know what your problem is you play guitar too well and he was like what the [ __ ] was i supposed to do with that you know like it really he he's one of the guys who really took it took it hard to be like thrown on the trash heap as these guys were in the 90s yeah but but a lovely dude and if you're a veto brata fan there is maximum veto in this book yeah yeah it doesn't skimp i i wonder if i kind of forced him into a little bit of retirement because back in the day i my brother and i saw him i think he was driving his white el dorado and we kind of chased him and i ran up to his window at a red light and knocked on it for an autograph which he gave me but it was like you know maybe one of those freak out like moments like what the hell is this guy up to so god damn it days wait for his uh retirement congratulations for ruining vito brada way to go yeah dave dave lives on staten island i mean this is uh
this could not be going better yes this is peak point a point of pride for for quite some time which i think is also the name of a white lion album it is pride yes good album pride with this with the hit single wait let the children cry not as strong but uh thank you davey luck thank you yeah dave you got to buy this book you'll love it i i should stress um the book is great um i think the true test of uh as a guy who reads literally pretty much every rock book i think the true test is when you can get into the but when it you don't have to be into the genre to enjoy the book and i would say this book does that very well i happen to be into the genre which makes me like it even more but i could i uh i think anyone who likes uh music who likes crazy stories and um and just to learn the process of an artist who may or may not have shot a maid uh it's an amazing book nothing but a good time i'll say it again the uncertain uncensored history of the 80s hard rock explosion with the forward by corey taylor from slipknot so there and uh i will say if you get the actual not the advanced copy like i got because i'm very famous
there's a blurb for me on the back
so uh just as if i haven't given you enough selling points for this book no but it's it's an amazing book congratulations i think uh it's people the way people talk about the dirt well the way they talked about it for years and years as being uh such an amazing rock book i think this as i've said kicks the [ __ ] out of the dirt well i thank you thank you for the kind words steve i'm not just saying it i've you know and i've read the dirt i read the heroine diaries too that you want to talk to a completist i've read i've read nikki sixx's heroine diaries i read steve gorman from black rose's book i read leader ford's book i read greg allman's book i read both duff mckagan books you can't present me with a rock book that i have not read so i speak have you read bobby blotzer's book that's the one i was going to bring up too there's no bobby that wasn't that self-published it is a diamond in the rough it's a good i don't i don't read self i don't read self-published rock books i need to trust the industry if the industry does not feel if if if not even the capo press will touch it i shan't read it there's got to be a gatekeeper involved yeah there has to be someone has to yeah before i'm going to read it i need something um anyway everyone get this book it's amazing uh nothing but a good time thank you tom boshore thank you rich being stuck thank you very very much thank you thank you chris gerspec thank you new jersey chicken rancher dest before we go uh i also elvira canaveral says antifashion at the offensive.com that's an email address neil's rush says lee aaron i don't know what that refers to we'll pick it up next week thank you for listening watching keep up the good work everybody we're all counting on you thanks dave are we riding out to the sunset